About halal wife beating

18 05 2009

Yeah, I’m back and behind the computer, suffering from severe withdrawal symptoms, and unfortunately am ill so no time to really blog before I’m going to crash, so for tonight just a response to this post on American Bedu.

Bakheet Al Anzi mishwak

For those not familiar with it, the general accepted rule in Islam is that a husband is allowed to ”discipline” his wife by lightly tapping her on the shoulder with a stick of miswak (natural toothbrush).
Where this rule goes wrong is that, like men of other religions/countries/cultures, a lot of muslim men like to interpret this as the full force beating up of a hapless victim/wife.
And the other problem is of course, the utterly erroneous, mad, idiotic assumption that men are always wiser, more knowledgeable, morally advanced, more intelligent, etc. than women. The sheer untruthful basis of this assumption is proof in itself that this admonition can never have come from the omnipotent deity which created us, but an addition by men who wanted some religious back-up for their hobby ”wife-beating”.

This dissertation on the wondrous nature of Islam telling you how to beat up your wife, and how hard a time all the poor men have of disciplining those wayward irresponsible creatures. One almost feels sorry for the hard task put onto men.

Gotta love this one: Being beaten up is therapy
Interesting debate btw. Watch it!

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29 responses

18 05 2009
American Bedu

Your cartoon is excellent! Which by the way, I sure hope you have your name on all of those wonderful cartoons you come up with!!

19 05 2009
sirius

@Aafke–since you know what I think on this subject from AB I won’t repeat.
I just want to say I appreciate your comment over there and it really needed to be said–but does the world need more sanctimonious “God blogs”than already exist? A most over-crowded field already. πŸ˜‰ Your cartoon is hilarious–you need to submit your cartoons to the New Yorker. Really!

19 05 2009
Aafke

Bedu, yeah, there is usually a signature… except on this one… will remedie it! πŸ˜‰

Sirius, just back, sick, gruelling journey, and I flipped! Yeah, please, let’s have these sanctimonious blogs! After all, then we can have the choice of reading them.
Or not!
Which is one of the reasons they prefer to vent on other peoples’ blogs. And naturally there is the advantage of using somebody else’s succes and hard work to reach a high number of readers.

I’ll be happy to sell my Danish Delights to anyone who pays the right price πŸ˜€

19 05 2009
sirius

I’m sorry you were sick. If you read the latest over at AB you might get sicker–or you might laugh and shout halleluljah and be cursed in eternity–like me! Anyway whether it’s “a toothpick” or “correctional slap” it’s all about degradation–and control by fear–and I get very tired of thinly disguised intellectualized religious justification of abuse by cowardly bullies.

19 05 2009
Aafke

Sirius, you got cursed in eternity? By whom? Must have missed that.
And what have I done wrong? I only spoke my mind about how sick I am by some of the endless chatter and selfadvertisement on Bedu. Why should anyone be upset by that?
I am still sick, but I got some good pills from the doctor (as it isn’t N1H1) and I feel a lot better.

19 05 2009
sirius

@Aafke–hmm it’s under her wife beating column. But you won’t be cursed apparently unless you “gloat”. And I didn’t gloat at all I just laughed –ok and said Hallelujah. πŸ˜‰ Yeek just get better and remember if you want to go to heaven–don’t gloat! It’s probably ok to giggle a little!

19 05 2009
American Bedu

I agree…especially after seeing firsthand the original cartoons, I think you should submit them to the New Yorker!

19 05 2009
sabiwabi

Aafke, I just watched the last video and I am speechless, flabbergasted, dumbfounded, shocked, gobsmacked and appalled……….

Those women should take that man out in a back alley and kick his alpha male a##. I can’t believed this aired on TV!

The very last part was my fave, you know, where he says that a wife who doesn’t jump to her feet to cook her man some food when he walks through the door was worthy of a beating?! OMG!

I would poison his food good and proper, if I were his wife.

Idiot! Jerk!

19 05 2009
coolred38

OMG!! he actually used the “created from a crooked rib” christian ideology…a Muslim man trying to prove a point using Christian fables…now you know this is messed up.

He also says the man is the judge in the home…so its completely up to the man to be judge and jury when it comes to deciding whether he “fears disobedience” from his wife…and can therefore beat her. It doesnt actually say what constitutes disobedience….Muslims will say that it means sexual disobedience…but the man is claiming even not cooking dinner constitutes disobedience on her part and the right on his part to “correct” her.

He also seems to be under the impression that beating your wife is treating her with some form of therapy…beating has turned into therapy for her.

All I can say is..Im glad Im not his wife…you know shes getting her ass kicked all the time.

the saddest part of all…there are actually women in that audience that look like they agree with his ideas…maybe they feel they deserve to be corrected and in need of therapy…that doesnt mean we all agree to it.

20 05 2009
Lat

Both videos suck! Is this how Arab men think? And according to the video some Arab men even use electric cables to beat their wives?! Really erroneous and disgusting!

Great drawings,Aafke! You never miss the hairy legs.Do you?! πŸ˜›

20 05 2009
Lat

Btw,how are you now? Hopefully you’re back to your normal healthy self.

20 05 2009
Achelois

I love the cartoon! You are so perceptive and exact.

20 05 2009
Achelois

The year is 2009, the city is some city in Saudi Arabia.

A 60 year old man tries to talk to one of his four wives, a young 20 year old woman. She is jealous and angry and throws his plate of food on the floor breaking it into pieces. Does he:

a) Slap her right across her face in rage
b) Divorce her for being so ill-mannered
c) Tap on her shoulder with his toothbrush to discipline her
d) Burst into laughter and picks up the mess?

Later someone tells him that this young wife is having an affair with the young and handsome new colleague of this man. He finds out that on a night when he was away with another wife, she was missing all night. Using religion as his source of guidance, does he:

a) Bash her up and later spits divorce thrice in rage
b) Kills her in the name of honour
c) Tap on her shoulder with his toothbrush to discipline her
d) Stops talking to her, stops having sex with her and asks her to leave for her parent’s house until he can come to a sensible conclusion?

He finds out all that was just a rumour. Does he:

a) Never tell her that he knows the truth about her innocence to use it to blackmail her in the future
b) Think he is better off without her; he could always find a younger woman
c) Order her never to step out of the house again
d) Apologize to her?

Let’s assume he does apologize to her. But she is mad as hell with him and refuses to return to him, then lectures him severely and humiliates him for not trusting her. Does he:

a) Slap her right across her face in rage
b) Divorce her for being so ill-mannered
c) Tap on her shoulder with his toothbrush to discipline her
d) Quietly walk out of the room?

If this man chooses option d) for all these situations then he is truly following the sunnah of the Prophet, otherwise he is just a misogynist, ill-mannered, crude, and sick bastard!

20 05 2009
sabiwabi

Coolred

I’d pull out my very own “crooked rib” and beat him over the head with it!

And is it just me, or is the woman who talks about th electric cables a transvestite? LOL

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21 05 2009
coolred38

And seemingly the only “correction” women can do when men behave with “disobedience is to seek a divorce from them…which we all know isnt something done lightly. So in effect…women are meant to be corrected…men are meant to be tolerated…figures.

sabiwabi…you grab the rib I’ll grab a leg bone…the whup ass is on!!!!

She does…who knows…lol.

21 05 2009
Lat

@Achelois,

The slap will most probably come first.And then the woman is abandoned to her parents place.The toothbrush thing has no place at all unless Arab men are glued to a miswaks! πŸ™‚

21 05 2009
Aynur

coolred – that part about women being created from a crooked rib is actually from an “rigorously authenticated hadith” – see here: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=4079&CATE=120

That is TOTALLY a Christianity idea. But somehow it’s a hadith too?

21 05 2009
Aafke

Sirius, giggling is what I usually do! πŸ˜†

Bedu πŸ™‚

Sabiwabi, It wouldn’t surprise me if his wife beats him up at home, and that’s why he has to play the intellectually impaired Neanderthal on tv… Serious, have you noticed how he completely ignores any comments made by the female moderator or the other women? he just keeps going on on his own diatribe…
On the other hand, it is important to see such an idiot brain at work. When just looking at the theory it’s hard to believe such people actually really exist… But they do, and are even egged on in todays Islamic world. It’s very sad.

Coolred! I noticed that one too! To me that’s a striking example how these people cherrypick religion to condone any supression of women. Including borrowing from other religions, as long as it suits their purpose….

It’s one of the arguments always used: some women agree with the status quo. But that is nonsense. women can be as stupid as men, and taken into account they might have been brainwashed into thinking being beaten up is ”therapy” from baby-hood onwards. No, as long as women are brought up in repressive societies that doesn’t count as proof to me!

Lat, never miss the hairy legs no… what are you looking at? lower your gaze!!!
I’m better but not quite healed.

Achelois, I am glad to notice that this time you managed to keep your eyes averted from Bakheets legs….

I love your quiz! Thank you for putting it up!!!!
These guys in the video would flunk it totally. Strange that all this cherry-picking never takes into account to use the treatment of the prophet of his wives as an example.

Sabiwabi! LOL!!!!

Coolred, it’s twisted. so twisted.

Lat, 😦 or the husband marries a #2, or #3 and leaves them to rot in some sort of limbo. They can easily abandon their wife somewhere, give them minimal support and leave them and their children to rot! That happens too you know. the upshot is that there is no safety for women.

Do you all know why this tv lady Rania in Bedu’s blog was beaten up so horribly and savagely she nearly died? It’s becaue she had gone up the stairs to the appartment of a family member to borrow something, (without ”permission” and on an interview he defended himself with her not being obedient enough.

I’m sorry but men on the whole seem to be totally incapable of dealing with a position of authority, so there must be a big flaw somewhere in the Quran, or God is an idiot. Take your pick.

If all goes well, and it isn’t, I’ll be off for the next 4 days with my horse. No blogging (again) Wish me luck!

21 05 2009
Aafke

Aynur, welcome to my blog πŸ™‚
It’s a hadith if it suits their purpose…. You keep seeing these innovations to Islam everywhere…

21 05 2009
Aafke

Do you know what I also fin amazing, dear friends? How is it possible that these men, in the videos, can see the world as if it is solely inhabited by men?
For them ”women” are just a side-issue, a nuisance to be disciplined and delt with by men.
They seem to have no conception that women are sentient, that they may have their own valid thought processes…
or even that women might have right on their side, and that men can have it completely wrong. And how they can not hear when women are speaking to them… No wonder they have problems communicating with their wives… If you can’t hear them.

And what’s with the cooking? Who says that women always need to have something ready for hubby? Not the Quran, according to Islam it’s charity if a wife does household stuff for her husband…
So what’s the punishment for men in the hereafter if they are stupid and ignorant and beat up their wives for no reason??? Or the wrong reason???

21 05 2009
sirius

@Aafke, “. . .what’s the punishment for men in the hereafter if they are stupid and ignorant. . .” hmmm if heaven is ever-hymen-renewing compliant virgins then I think hell calls for an imagining designed by Aafke and drawn into a cartoon! Have a great holiday.

21 05 2009
radha

Beating with a tooth brush .. ha ha ha ha ha
oh well , wonder what would happen if women start beating the men for a change.
tracking in dirt on a freshly cleaned floor !!!smack smack!!!
leaving we towels on the wood floor .. idiot !! smack smack!!
Turned the dishwasher on again without soap !! dummy !! smack smack!!
leaving your blood stained stinky scrubs with other clothes in the hamper !!well smack smack.. no virgins for you in heaven!!

21 05 2009
radha

wet towels

21 05 2009
intlxpatr

Aafke, how do you find these things? Those videos!! The people in the audience looked stunned and horrified at the things this man was saying.

Something like 60% of marriages in Kuwait are ending in their first year, or so I have been told. If men feel so entitled, no wonder!

21 05 2009
Achelois

I noticed his hairy legs but I was too scared to say it. As it is you all think I dig him! And I also noticed he lost some weight. His round belly has lost its roundness or did the wifey stitch his kandoora too loose which is why she deserves a whack?

22 05 2009
Lat

@Achelois,
You even noticed his weight loss!Unbelievable! The guy actually has a stalker! πŸ˜›

22 05 2009
Achelois

@ Lat

There is something about his little eyes. I drowwwwwwwn in them πŸ˜‰

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