Children are not counted

3 01 2009

I’m not ”political” I am not an avid newsreader. I don’t want to write about politics, but I do write about what’s going on in my mind. And what’s going on im my mind right now is anger!

Hamas stupidity no excuse for Israeli overreaction.

From this news site.

That is my opinion too. Hamas started this,  knowing full well the Israelies would ”retaliate”. Actually the timing is só advantagious to Israel I wonder if they don’t have some infiltrants in Hamas making sure Hamas provides an incident sanctifying a full out Israeli attack right now.
Everybody knows by now Israel is only waiting for the smallest incident to start a full-out bombardment of Palestinian territory. One traumatised Israeli child is enough reason for Israel to blow up 50 Palestinian children. Hamas knows this as well as the rest of the world. I think Hamas is as responsible for the deaths of Palistinians as the Israelis. They know what will happen, yet they keep providing Isreal with the ”reason” for attack.
How stupid can you get? All this stupid retoric about How ”Israel will get squahed”!!! Get real, it is Palestinian children who get squashed! You are outnumbered, outgunned, you have no international support, and this is not a guerillia-war. Hamas is inviting this tragedy upon it’s own people, and Israel is only too happy too oblige.

And who are the victims? The children!!!! Yesterday I heard in the news Israel had killed a Hamas leader by blowing up his house. Apart from why it is acceptible to arbitrarily blow up Hamas leaders as the news suggested, my first thought was: ”His house?”
His HOUSE?????”
Who else was in that house? Did nobody else get hurt?

Well, yes, somebody else did get hurt. His children got hurt, got killed, got burned to death!

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But they didn’t get mentioned on tv. They are not good advertisement for the state-terorrism Israel practises on Palestine. The Americans have invented a nice clean word for these dead children: ”Collateral Damage” For the worthwhile cause of killing one man, the rest of his family are considered ”collateral damage” not worthy of making it into the news.

I think any child is worth more than an adult who might have screwed up. No dead child is collateral damage. One dead child constitutes a crime towards humanity.

One dead child is a crime towards humanity and there is NO excuse for killing children!!!!!!

Both factions are selfish stupid and evil. With no regard for their own children. I think they even like it when a few children die every now and then. So both can play the beset victims to the outer world.

About 400 Palestinians have been killed by now, many more hundreds are wounded and what medical  supplies there are, are running out quickly.
Israelies were traumatised by the small Hamas rockets and I think about 4 or 5 Israelies actually got killed.

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45 responses

3 01 2009
Chiara

Thank you for providing an outlet for feelings on this topic.

Since I was very thorough in my responses to your last Gazan post I will be briefer here.

Israeli death toll 4; Palestinian death toll (well) over 400–official stats minimize civilian casualities whereas Palestinian Drs report a higher percentage of civilian casualties; since all Gazan males except the very old and the very young are considered militants by Israel the civilian percentages are by definition low.

The picture you posted is compelling, and this part of the story is largely ignored. So is the part about “shooting fish in a barrel”. Gazans are literally locked in and cannot escape the bombing whereas Israelis are free to leave their settlements temporarily or permanently.

Children are never guilty unless one is extremely racist and believes “they” are “born that way” and should be eliminated early.

While it is easy to make a case that Hamas should cease and desist, they are gaining support at home and abroad because of the disproportionate response by Israel (and the US support, passive and active, of it). What is the alternative to guerrilla warfare when all negotiations seem to be in bad faith, and you are being slowly squeezed out?

3 01 2009
Marahm

I, too, am not politically minded, but this is the clearest, most sensible post on the matter I have read to date!

3 01 2009
Chiara

PS Re: “shooting fish in a barrel”. The Israelis are now allowing foreign passport holding wives and their children out of Gaza while the Gazan men (since all are deemed militants?) must remain to fend for themselves with other Gazan wives and children. Compassion? racism? bargaining for international support? breaking the social fabric further? hoping the husbands will emigrate elsewhere when able to do so?

3 01 2009
Aafke

I had just remembered it was like 4 Israelies. And yes, I heard on the news that ”only” 59 of the dead Palestinians were ”civillians” and I thought where did they get that estimate? Because In my book all those police officers for example are also civilians. And in blowing up a mosque you take into account killing a lot of civillians, or is everybody inside a mosque automaticcaly a soldier? And you can’t blow up religious buildings anyway. And what if you ”think” there ”may be” explosives hidden there? Well, bad luck; you can’t get at them then!

How do the Israelies know where Hamas hides their explosives? And why should we believe without question Israel has valid intelligence on these things?

Yes, i also heard an interview of an Israeli women going on about how her children were unhappy they had to leave their house and how they missed their friends. Well, lady, be happy your children are still alive to be sorry, and that they miss their friends because they are somewhere else, and not dead.
But who knows how ”freely” any Israeli can speak to the media about their feelings? Those who do get into serious trouble in Israel.

But Chiara, that’s the point I was making: This is no guerillia warfare: these are cities and refugee-camps of sitting ducks! With nowhere to go. And Israel doesn’t confine itself to killing military personell, they kill whomsoever they can! Nothing new here either. And they have been continuing in this manner for decades, and the only ones it really hurts is themselves, How stupid do you have to be not to see this? They never get any real support from anybody else, the only support they get is from other lunatics who have some personal advantage by this conflict stretching out into eternity.

Einstein:
“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Marahm, thank you! I was just ranting?

3 01 2009
Achelois

I’m not into politics either and that is why I was quiet about it for so long. Wrote something but I don’t think many Muslims will be happy with it.

3 01 2009
susanne430

Great post, Aafke. I love your commentary. Thanks.

3 01 2009
Susie of Arabia

It’s hard to make sense of such senseless violence, on both sides. All it serves to do is to perpetuate the deep-seeded hatred each side feels toward the other. Both sides are so stubborn I don’t think there will ever be peace in the region. It’s very sad because it IS the children who suffer, and then it will be the children’s children, and so on. It is a never ending battle with no winners.

3 01 2009
Aafke

Susie, yes, both sides should be sterilized, every single Israeli and Palestinian. And then they can fight it out and see where it’s ending. And no support from anybody outside.

Achelois, your comment was good. I don’t know why so many uslims equate Islam with blind stupid callousness. Anybody upset with your post isn’t worth a pinch of salt.

Suzanne, thanks. I’m pretty derogatory at both sides.

3 01 2009
Marahm

Everyone says it doesn’t make sense, but it makes perfect sense. The Israeli goal is to get rid of the Palestinians, and they are doing exactly that. They are doing it because they are capable of doing it, and they have the support– either explicit or tacit–of both the Western and Arab world.

Arab world? Yes! Maybe the Arab leaders think they will sacrifice Palestine and save themselves. I don’t know. Now I am just ranting, and I’d better shut up, because I’m the first to admit that I am politically naive!

I am also politically naive, so I agree with you.

3 01 2009
coolred38

I find it so hypocritical that Arab countries showed their support for Palestine by canceling New Years celebrations…oh my…Im sure the Palestinians are pleased that Arab govts decided cancelling a few fireworks and music shows would show the world “we are behind you”…yeah…waaaaay behind you…safely in our Palaces and Mercedes living our extravagant lives…while you die die die…such solidarity…gimme a break!!!

I dont know why Israel even hides behind words such as “we are defending ourselves”…cut the crap and have the balls to call it what it is…genocide…then at least the hypocrisy will be blown away…along with all the children…sigh.

Agree
Sigh…

3 01 2009
Chiara

Marahm, I agree, that the Israeli actions make perfect sense in their stated, but not advertised, intention to eliminate all Palestinians from the region. And it seems the neighbouring Arab states are willing to let it happen to protect their own borders. On the other hand, given the results of previous wars they may be humiliated into submission, and given their reliance on Western beneficence willing to acquiesce.

Aafke, I appreciate your statement about this not being a guerrilla war, but guerrilla warfare is merely a “small war (guerra)” strategy whether jungle, or urban based (where “hiding” is in tunnels, basements, mosques, hospitals,etc.) I still don’t know what the alternative is except negotiations in bad faith, or folding (to go where? to do what?) given the assymetry (guerilla is one strategy of assymetrical warfare).

Achelois, are you referring to your comment on the previous Gazan post about leaving as Mohamed did from Makka? That didn’t stop the territorial wars as far as I know, but it is a temporary strategy–except that the Palestinians have no passports and aren’t allowed to leave. Israel is unlikely to give them all citizenship (even second class) since they would then outnumber the Jewish Israelis (Israelis are identified eg. on passports by religion).

Coolred, hypocrisy abounds, including from Condoleeza Rice, whose all purpose use of “negotiations” for a “real and lasting peace” to prevent the “status quo ante” (only she adds the ante in oral speech) are trotted out for all Israeli bombing the Arabs (Lebanese, Palestinian) into submission.

Oh, please, Condoleeza Rice…..

3 01 2009
Achelois

No Chiara I was referring to what I wrote on my blog. But its too much for me to think about all the children dying there and talk about politics. It pains me too much at the moment to think rationally when so many innocent children are burnt and bombed. It is often easy to sit in the comforts of our homes and say that Palestinians should give up or that they should keep fighting. Unless we are there, in their homes, in their shoes we will never understand how it feels. Perhaps I am naive.

You wrote a very poigniant post, and truly I feel that being ”non” naive in this context would be very worrisome. Let’s hope we will never lose our naivité.

3 01 2009
Chiara

Thank you Achelois, I did finally figure out you meant your post, an excellent one at that, and I left a comment on your site. 🙂

I share your desire for peace, and caution about deciding for others. I do not know what I would do, but I hope I would have the choice (means) to leave as an option (most Palestinians do not). Palestinians in the diaspora are simultaneously safe, and necessary to the preservation of Palestine, as they have the political and financial means to act in defense of their country. (Armenians in the Diaspora kept Armenian culture alive, were activists for recognition of Armenia, and built with their donations and expertise the post-Soviet country). However since Israel refuses the right of return to Palestinians and destroys so there is nothing to return to leaving would be extra hard.

I see politics as a “necessary evil”, as a way to peace and justice (an often circuitous route admittedly). Even “terrorist groups” including Hamas have their political wing and eventually negotiation with them results in peace (Ireland, South Africa). Hopefully sooner rather than later–ie. pre- rather than post-genocide.

3 01 2009
always in the kitchen

I can’t begin to understand the “politics”or even the evil of the whole situation.Dropping fliers telling people to evacuate-to where?
Dropping bombs on civilians?
When the Germans bombed London they evacuated the children.
Israel needs to be held accountable for their crimes as does the U.S. for funding state sponsored terrorism.

4 01 2009
susanne430

I posted part of an article by a Jewish woman on my blog if you are interested. The link to the full article is there in my “Save the Children” post.

My Syrian friend found the article very touching, and I thought others might want to read it as well.

4 01 2009
Abu Sinan

I would have to argue with the idea that Hamas started that, although considering the news and background information that the Western media gives out, it would be easy to feel that way.

This started in 1948. The VAST majority of the Palestinians living in these camps and cities in Gaza are descendents of those Palestinians who were driven from their homes, towns and villages by the Israelis.

It is interesting to note that the Hamas missile men are shooting their weapons at land that once belonged to them and is now occupied by people, the majority of whom, have no ancestors who were on the land 100 years ago.

I dont view this as a religious issue because Palestinians are a mix of Christian and Muslim, and historically, Christians have played a HUGE role in the struggle for Palestinian freedom. Edward Said, George Habash, Hanan Ashrawi, to name just a few.

I completely reject the idea that a nation has a right to exist for only one group of people or one religion, whether it is Saudi Arabia or Israel.

There is ONLY one solution to this issue, free and open elections available to all people within the borders of Israel, and the declaration that Israel is a secular, non religious state that exists for the benefit of all people from all backgrounds within it’s borders.

A pox on Hamas’ house, and a pox on the murderous campaign that is part and parcel of keeping Israel a “Jewish” state.

One person, one vote! No distinction based on race, caste, colour, creed or religion. Israel is NOT like the US, no matter how many people sell this rubbish.

Israel is much closer to Jim Crow era USA where the nation was a nation for whites only, people of colour had little or no rights. That is Israel. It is the same Israel that is committing mass murder to support the same system.

4 01 2009
Lat

“Sterilize every single….”, Do you think this will work? Even if it does,but somehow life finds a way!
It’s very depressing to find children being bombed.Life can be so cruel.Their blood is in the hands of those who started and continue this massacre.

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4 01 2009
coralbead

Hello….

These kids have nothing to do with what’s happening and yet they get slaughtered like cattle!!!!!! What is the world coming to?

Hamas clearly shows by its actions that it’s its own interests that it’s fighting for, and not the safety of the people of Gaza. Which gives Israel the perfect loophole in bombing the place because it knows that the leaders don’t seem to give a damn! And then again, Israel needs not to defend its existence because of the support of the US and others.

The Arab world should as a group DO SOMETHING because if this can happen to Gaza, it could happen to THEM.

4 01 2009
outcastrebelchic

I think it’s rather low when you revert to killing childeren, either intentionally or unintentionally. What have the childeren done that was wrong enough to deserve to be burned to death? How can a human life (especially a young child’s) be reffered to as collateral damage?
It is just wrong.

5 01 2009
Saudi in US

I do not believe that the killing of these children was unintentional (at least in 1 clear case). Israel has for sometime implemented a policy of punishing families of jihadists. The logic goes that these militants are seeking to be martyr, so you cannot stop them from their activities by the threat of being killed. The policy is very clear by the example demolishing the family homes of suicide bombers.

In the case of recent attack that resulted in the death of these children, it is no coincidence that the father of the children, Nizar Rayan, who is a top militant in Hamas was on TV the day before with very loud threats against Israel. The next day, they bombed his house and killed him with the entire family, children included. They wanted to make sure other leaders will understand that their families will be targeted also.

I am not a fan of Hamas and view them to have equal responsibility for the problems in Gaza, but this Israeli policy is pure evil.

5 01 2009
Aafke

I am very happy you all wrote such excellent comments on my blog. I agree on the whole with everybody really.
I’m just sick of the next news-bulletin about Gaza every day. I am so sad.

5 01 2009
Chiara

Aafke:
How about letting Condoleeza Rice and Tzipi Livni do battle with winner take all? 🙂
No, Livni has physical as well as verbal combat training and less expensive suits to protect. Besides, should she survive Condo would just hand it all over to Israel anyway, while changing the “status quo ante” she hates so much to some new and improved strangulation technique. 🙂

If you want to change that sadness 😦 to rage >-( (of the throw the television across the room kind) watch Alan Dershowitz in action against James Zogby on CNN’s Larry King Live [January 4]
Larry King Live: Dershowitz vs Zogby on Gaza Part 1http://www.youtube.com;
Alan Dershowitz and James Zogby square off over the conflict in Gaza. Part 2: http://www.youtube.com

Sample of transcript:

[LARRY KING]: Alan, why is Israel right? [OBJECTIVE QUESTION–NOT!]
ALAN DERSHOWITZ, AUTHOR, THE CASE AGAINST ISRAEL’S ENEMIES: Well, Israel is right because no democracy is required to play Russian roulette with the lives of its children. 6,000 missiles have hit in Israel. They’ve hit kindergartens, they’ve hit schools. [NOT!]
Fortunately, Israel has built shelters and they’ve had only a few dozen casualties. But it’s only a matter of time until a rocket hits a kindergarten within 40 or 50 kids in it. [NOT!]
Proportionality doesn’t require a nation to sit back and accept these kinds of missiles. The fact that civilians are being killed is completely the fault of Hamas for hiding behind civilians. [HIGHLY DEBATABLE!]
They are committing a triple war crime by targeting Israeli civilians, by using their own civilians as human shields, and by…
KING: James?
DERSHOWITZ: … pulling for the destruction of a member state of the United Nations. [HMMMM–NOT!]

KING: James, there’s no question there, is there, that Hamas started this? [ANOTHER OBJECTIVE QUESTION–NOT!]
JAMES ZOGBY, PRESIDENT, ARAB AMERICAN INSTITUTE: Well, listen, the fact is that there has been an ongoing conflict between the Palestinians and the Israelis over that border in Gaza since the beginning of the occupation in 1967. [GOOD ONE]
DERSHOWITZ: Over the border in Gaza? [CAN’T STOP TALKING]
ZOGBY: And even — would you…
KING: Hold it, Alan. Hold it.
ZOGBY: Be cool, Alan. Alan, I gave you plenty of time.
DERSHOWITZ: But there’s no dispute about the border.
KING: Alan, let him finish. [GOOD LUCK]

ZOGBY: Israel withdrew, as they said, in 2005 but continued to maintain almost complete closure over Gaza, making it impossible for decent human life to take place. Unemployment among youth, 80 percent, unemployment in the entire country, 70 percent. 40 — 50 percent among the adult population. But the poverty level is crushing and the fact here is that even when the cease-fire was winding down, Israel chose that moment to make a provocation by crossing into the border on an assault against Hamas fighters.
[GOOD ONE]
Now there is no side here that’s right. I am not going to be a defender of Hamas’ provocative behavior. But neither should Alan be defending what Israel has done or is doing now. [HMMM BACKING OFF]
The fact is, both sides are playing out pathologies and there’s no adult supervision. I fault the United States…[OOPS TRYING TO BE BALANCED]

KING: Alan? […] Alan, does James have a point?
DERSHOWITZ: No, he doesn’t [have] a point, unfortunately. [NEVER CONCEDE ANYTHING]
KING: No point? […]

DERSHOWITZ: Under Article 51 Israel is entitled to respond by saying we are going to win this war. We’re going to demand an unconditional surrender the way Great Britain did when Germany fired missiles at it and the way the United States did when Pearl Harbor was attacked. [WWII ALWAYS A GOOD ANALOGY…NOT!]
ZOGBY: Way, the way to unwind extremism and the way, ultimately, to isolate and defeat Hamas is to provide an opportunity for the Palestinians to feel hope. They feel no hope and Israel has given them no opportunity to feel no hope. [AND WHY NOT?]

DERSHOWITZ: On the West Bank… [CHANGE THE TOPIC]
(CROSSTALK)
KING: Let me go to break, guys.
(CROSSTALK)
KING: I have to get a break in. We’ll come right back.
DERSHOWITZ: Even on the West Bank, there’s a wall being built.
KING: We’ll be right back with Alan Dershowitz — hold it, guys. We’ll be right back with Alan Dershowitz and James Zogby. Don’t go away.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[BLAH BLAH BLAH][DERSHOWITZ OVERTALKS, FROWNS, INTERRUPTS, MAKES OUTRAGEOUS STATEMENTS, INCLUDING COCKAMAMIE STUFF ON THE BEAUTIES OF THE WALL, IS TOTALLY ONE-SIDED]

ZOGBY: You’re a great lawyer for guilty clients, Alan. It doesn’t work, though, in this case. [GOOD ONE]
DERSHOWITZ: That’s a cheap shot.
ZOGBY: Well, I’m sorry, but you’ve made cheap shots all night. [UNDERSTATEMENT]
DERSHOWITZ: That’s a cheap shot. [LAWYERLY REPETITION TO CREATE TRUTH]
ZOGBY: Sorry about that. [DIPLOMATIC] [PROGRAM ENDS]

See–anger-inspiring biased questions, Dershowitz in full form, and Zogby unfortunately too balanced, rational, and concessionary. Only choice is to throw the television against a wall! 🙂

Must 🙂 OR >: ) lest one 😦

5 01 2009
Chiara

SHORT VERSION OF LONG COMMENT (SORRY!)

Aafke:
How about letting Condoleeza Rice and Tzipi Livni do battle with winner take all? 🙂
No, Livni has physical as well as verbal combat training and less expensive suits to protect. Besides, should she survive Condo would just hand it all over to Israel anyway, while changing the “status quo ante” she hates so much to some new and improved strangulation technique. 🙂

If you want to change that sadness 😦 to rage >-( (of the throw the television across the room kind) watch Alan Dershowitz in action against James Zogby on CNN’s Larry King Live [January 4]
Larry King Live: Dershowitz vs Zogby on Gaza Part 1
http://www.youtube.com;
Alan Dershowitz and James Zogby square off over the conflict in Gaza. Part 2: http://www.youtube.com

See–anger-inspiring biased questions, Dershowitz in full form, and Zogby unfortunately too balanced, rational, and concessionary. Only choice is to throw the television against a wall!

Must 🙂 OR >: ) lest one 😦

5 01 2009
Aafke

I was just going to remark that I am glad you lot (my esteemed visitors) are not afraid to put up some serious comments :mrgreen:

If it was the actual political leaders who had to fight these things out, there would be very little war on this planet.

5 01 2009
Chiara

Indeed! [practising being brief] 🙂

5 01 2009
Aafke

And very succesfull too at the short answers! :mrgreen:

6 01 2009
Chiara

Robert Fisk- The Independent – Read- Gain knowledge- Get angry! [Still practising]

6 01 2009
RhondaL

I thought a long time before commenting on this post. You are correct, of course. As a former member of the “official media,” (now a member of the “online media”), I know about how “the public’s right to know” is often tempered by “what we think they can handle.”

I remember, from the war in Kuwait, how the US media concentrated on the “surgical precision” of the “smart bombs.” The shots from the satellite let you forget that there were people in those trucks on those highways. Only one of my photography magazines showed the real aftermath, which had been printed in the European press but not the American. It was a truck driver’s burnt remains, still behind the wheel. It was horrifying and, IMO, was truly the face of war.

Like the photo of the child that you posted above.

6 01 2009
Chiara

RhondaL–Thank you for your comment and perspective.

I watched the Kuwait war on multiple news casts–Canadian, US, French, Belgian, Swiss–a minimum of 3 countries per day (stopped when I started getting nightmares). The initial diversity of perspectives was striking, even with similar video footage. The Americans were very “Rah rah! We have smart bombs so good we only kill individual guilty persons/soldiers”. The Canadians were onside but somewhat (emphasized) less enthusiastic and more critical. The Europeans were the most challenging and honest in their coverage. Eventually only CNN remained there, and only their footage was supplied, reducing the diversity, although it was still present.

” La guerre du Golfe n’a pas eu lieu” [“The Gulf War Did Not Take Place”] by French philosopher/sociologist Jean Baudrillard addresses this issue well. He doesn’t emphasize “what the public can handle” so much as ” how to market this war”.

6 01 2009
Rhysz

@ RhondaL

Just a tiny nitpick on your post, those satelite images were actually very impressive. I remeber one guy just driving of a bridge when the front and back end of the bridge exploded. I think the geeneral giving the presentation called him ‘the luckiest man in Iraq’.

Flipside of the coin is that 90 % of the ordenance dropped on Iraq in GW1 we’re old-fashiond dumb drop bombs.

6 01 2009
burstmode

The reaction of so many here is surprising. The innocent are always the first victims of war. Children are the “collateral” damage of so many ruthless ambitions and yet…it is so in every modern war.

Hamas is well aware that it is so and they need war to fulfill their ambitions. They need to provoke the Israelis because this gives them legitimacy with their own people. Life in Gaza under Hamas is awful.

When Israel attacks, the world is outraged and Hamas uses their children to fuel the outrage. What does it matter to the them? When their children die, they go to heaven which is certainly a better place than Gaza. Hamas’s only gamble is that Israel will not quite wipe them out.

The Middle East is best viewed with a very cynical eye.

6 01 2009
Chiara

Also Kuwait War (GWI) had a very high incidence of casualties from “friendly fire” [in US English] or “blue on blue” [in British English], as does the current Iraq conflict.

So far Israeli “friendly fire” incidents in Gaza 3 Israeli soldiers (at least no civilians).

6 01 2009
Aafke

Rhonda, I was just now watching CNN, and they did show some of what is going on. And it is a moot point, how much how awful the photo’s should be. I think the photo I posted was borderline, if you keep on showing people horrible deaths and bodies, everybody becomes desensified. People will have nor eaction to seeing the most horrible atrocities. But if you show nothing, ànd claim a ”clean war” you are lying.

Chiara, I also like to switch around different news-agencies, and different countries. I like German news-programs.

Rhysz, yeah, they never tell the whole story. Anyway, you didn’t get to see the ”precision bombing” that went totally wrong anyway!

burstmode, welcome to my blog.
I agree. but it still makes me sick.

Chiara, yes, just heard the Israelis blew up one of their own tanks…
but those soldiers are also somebodies children…

6 01 2009
Chiara

Aafke–absolutely agreed, and since Israeli has compulsory military service, including compulsory reserve service, their voluntariness is in doubt. More importantly they are someone’s children, parents, siblings, friends, lovers, etc. I definitely prefer peace all around; but I do get especially vexed by “unfair fights” and subjugation (a strong word I know, but unfortunately applicable).

Burstmode–I agree with much of what you have said; but while Heaven should be better than life on earth, Gaza is a living hell almost all the time and now is closer to Hellish. Even CNN acknowledges that the Palestinians are trapped there–told to leave by Israeli leaflets, but not let out of the territory–one Gazan resident explained they were being asked to leave their homes, but that camping outside is less safe, and no part of the territory is predictably spared.

6 01 2009
Aafke

Chiara, worse, they are told to leave their houses, they hide in schools, and then the schools get bombed.
I suppose the Israelis ”know” that there are Hamas weapons depots in the schools as well.
I don’t see why countries would try so hard and boast on their ”precision bombing” when they flatten everything they can anyway. I think the term ”precision bombing” is only used to make us think they actually are aiming at something military, while what theya re really aiming for is Gaza’s future, police stations, homes, mosques, schools… the next we’ll hear of is the hospitals.
I bet there’s a lot of weapons hidden in hospitals.

6 01 2009
Chiara

They already bombed the Islamic University in Gaza–leading Canadian and international university unions to call for a boycott of Israeli scholars (already in place in Britain because of 2006 Lebanon invasion):
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1146735; and,
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090106.CUPE06/TPStory/TPNational/Ontario/

So far, hospitals are only “overwhelmed by dead, wounded”:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/05/news/ML-Israel-Gaza-Overwhelmed-Hospital.php

Oops sorry the Health Union has been bombed, and hospitals damaged in air raids:
Aid agencies say Gaza needs food, medicine — and body bags:
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSB81320

Or if you can tolerate any more tragic children stories read:
Shocked kids ‘stop eating, barely talk’ :
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2009010625880

or worse (?) about a family bombed while in the mourning tent with their 3 dead children, and bombed again on the way to the hospital with the casualties
Tears, bitterness, despair as Gaza “bleeds rivers” http://uk.reuters.com/article/burningIssues/idUKTRE5042T620090105

Too much–must go generate some rage or humour!

6 01 2009
Rhysz

@ Aafke
That was the one part that was true, they we’re acurate 90 % of the time. And those that weren’t were prolly off by 40 feet or more.

6 01 2009
Rhysz

In any case, it’s a lot better than just launching unguided missiles and hoping you get to hit some off the Ev0l_Jewz. Unfortunately Israeli responses regularly involve killing high-ranking Palastinian leaders (I’m not putting the different parties in here because I can’t quite seem to remember). I think this was the second time they blew up such a guy when he was at a child’s birthday, the other one was from quite some years ago. I’m sorry I don’t seem to be able to find the relevant article, which is quite frustrating.

This is the bane of ‘assymmetric warfare’, fighting from house to house, hiding in families homes (with or without their consent) results in horrendous and unaccptable loss of civilian lives. I blame Hamas for thinking that firing a dumb misslile into Israeli territory will do anything for advancing their cause and I blame Israel for taking up such inept attack to start a groundwar that won’t do anything for their security (maybe even be detrimental, and I think past experiences prove this) and only results in the contiution ot this tragic vicious cycle , this black page in the history of our species.

Regards,
Rhysz

7 01 2009
Aafke

I am a bit relieved that I am by now hearing the media report on how Israel is being really bad and how many people are speaking out on it. How ”important famous” people are speaking out on how the Israelies should stop playing the ”poor victim” while it is they who are the bad guys.
It seems the tide is turning against them. Will this be the end of Israel being left free to terrorise the Palestinians as they like? Will the world finally turn on Israel? Is this really the start of the apocalipse? (great: we’re all going to die soon, can’t wait! The sooner the better!)
The only thing is that I was told at school that at the end, when all of the planet would turn against the ”holy land” that would be a bad thing, But i see now it is different: we have no choice if we want to fight evil; Israel is evil and that’s why all the other people of the earth will band together and attack.

7 01 2009
Chiara

Deliberately targetting three UN schools after being told the GPS coordinates and guaranteed by the UN, no less, that all persons seeking refuge in the schools were carefully screened to keep out Hamas will tend to get you a bad reputation. Same with UN reports of high civilian casualties, and Red Cross condemnation. Hopefully the tide of international opinion is turning more forcibly. Meanwhile Israel has promised to give a 2 hour ceasefire everyday, so humanitarian aid can reach Gaza. How generous! and what a demonstration of total control and ability to do what they want. Like a cat toying with a mouse. From British war correspondant Robert Fisk: total Israeli casualties in the Gazan conflict for the last 20 years–10. He was in fine form today: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-why-do-they-hate-the-west-so-much-we-will-ask-1230046.html

7 01 2009
Aafke

Ugh! that ”noble” and ”magnanamous” gesture of having a lull in their killingspree so some ”humanitarian aid” can be rendered… makes me sick!!!!!!!!!!!
They still won’t let people out! It’s like shooting ducks in a cage, and giving them two hours of time to catch their breath, before they start again.

And then hearing about how they are taking out”bunkers”, and ”rocket installation” !!! Yeah, like ”bunker” is Israeli for ”family-dwelling” and ”rocket-installation” means ”school”
Screw them! 😡

7 01 2009
Chiara

PS When I am not counting the number of times Condo can say “lasting peace” and “status quo ante” in a statement, I find myself wondering what Ayaan Hirsi Ali might say about all this–ahh nothing, she is sticking to a well written plea for equal rights for women to be enacted by the men at Davos:
http://www.aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.29157/pub_detail.asp.

7 01 2009
Chiara

PPS Oops, sorry, I miswrote the statistics–its 20 Israelis in 10 years of Gazan conflict and 600 Palestinians in the last week.

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