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		<title>By: Rhysz</title>
		<link>http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/abaya-fashion-show/#comment-4657</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhysz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Blue Screen of Death Here........



......ah, I feel much better now. 
Have you actually seen religulous? I&#039;ve seen it and he takes aim at all of the major abrahammic religions, he&#039;s fair enough to spare noone, are you saying his jokes about christianity and judaism were also in poor taste? If so, please share your thought on your blog, I&#039;d be incredibly interested to read your views. After all &#039;what&#039;s fair to the goose is fair to the gander&#039;. Why would it be okay if he took jabs at the house of Saud but would it be unfunny if he did the same to Islam? Humour has a nasty ability of awareness-raising and to make people think, that&#039;s why I prefer the term &#039;stand-up philosophy&#039;. Also, your post suggests that certain topics are allowed to be subjected to humour (here, only people I can only imagine that you disagree with) while others are elevated to a level of being outside of the realm observational comments.

I was writing more, but I don&#039;t want to be too political here. Allmost all comedians use a smug persona, it&#039;s just funnier. The one guy that comes to mind is Stephen Wright, he&#039;s absolutely smugless......

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Blue Screen of Death Here&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;ah, I feel much better now.<br />
Have you actually seen religulous? I&#8217;ve seen it and he takes aim at all of the major abrahammic religions, he&#8217;s fair enough to spare noone, are you saying his jokes about christianity and judaism were also in poor taste? If so, please share your thought on your blog, I&#8217;d be incredibly interested to read your views. After all &#8216;what&#8217;s fair to the goose is fair to the gander&#8217;. Why would it be okay if he took jabs at the house of Saud but would it be unfunny if he did the same to Islam? Humour has a nasty ability of awareness-raising and to make people think, that&#8217;s why I prefer the term &#8217;stand-up philosophy&#8217;. Also, your post suggests that certain topics are allowed to be subjected to humour (here, only people I can only imagine that you disagree with) while others are elevated to a level of being outside of the realm observational comments.</p>
<p>I was writing more, but I don&#8217;t want to be too political here. Allmost all comedians use a smug persona, it&#8217;s just funnier. The one guy that comes to mind is Stephen Wright, he&#8217;s absolutely smugless&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Rhysz</p>
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		<title>By: Aafke</title>
		<link>http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/abaya-fashion-show/#comment-4636</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Achelois, When i see it on photos it looks like fabric, with some threads removed, and then the remainder bound into a trellis design, which although not decorative, is basically a Broderie Anglaise.... I&#039;ll look it up....

Mezba, oh, come on.. at least when he&#039;s after Bush he&#039;s funny!?
hey, I&#039;m pretty smug too? :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Achelois, When i see it on photos it looks like fabric, with some threads removed, and then the remainder bound into a trellis design, which although not decorative, is basically a Broderie Anglaise&#8230;. I&#8217;ll look it up&#8230;.</p>
<p>Mezba, oh, come on.. at least when he&#8217;s after Bush he&#8217;s funny!?<br />
hey, I&#8217;m pretty smug too? <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mezba</title>
		<link>http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/abaya-fashion-show/#comment-4635</link>
		<dc:creator>Mezba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Maher was making fun of House of Saud it would be one thing ... but knowing him (and his recent movie) he is making fun of Islam. He has also associated the burkha with Islam and oppression - both of which are wrong in theory if not practice.

And I rarely find him funny. I hate his smug tone, even when he is criticizing GW Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Maher was making fun of House of Saud it would be one thing &#8230; but knowing him (and his recent movie) he is making fun of Islam. He has also associated the burkha with Islam and oppression &#8211; both of which are wrong in theory if not practice.</p>
<p>And I rarely find him funny. I hate his smug tone, even when he is criticizing GW Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Achelois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achelois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aafke, I believe it is made of buckram. It is not embroidered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aafke, I believe it is made of buckram. It is not embroidered.</p>
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		<title>By: Culture bashing &#171; Achelois: a retired goddess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Culture bashing &#171; Achelois: a retired goddess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gossipers also give out wrong information in the process often only because they don’t bother to have correct information about the “inferior Other”. Take for instance Bill Maher who gives us his expert opinion that  “the reason why breast cancer is such a problem in this part of the world [Saudi Arabia] is because they don’t report it to doctors because one, they don’t want … a woman can’t go to a man doctor who is not her husband , he can’t see her breasts … its ridiculous. And of course there are not a hell of a lot female doctors in that part of the world”. (h/t Aafke). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gossipers also give out wrong information in the process often only because they don’t bother to have correct information about the “inferior Other”. Take for instance Bill Maher who gives us his expert opinion that  “the reason why breast cancer is such a problem in this part of the world [Saudi Arabia] is because they don’t report it to doctors because one, they don’t want … a woman can’t go to a man doctor who is not her husband , he can’t see her breasts … its ridiculous. And of course there are not a hell of a lot female doctors in that part of the world”. (h/t Aafke). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aafke</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tazeen, welcome to my blog :) There is no logic in the abaya in Saudi Arabia, women are bound to it, they have no free choice. 
Outside of Saudi Arabia, it is really up to the women themeselves. So I think that, as there are many different personalities, there will be many different reasons for different women to decide why they want to wear the abaya. And of course some are still forced by family or husbands who like it, and it that extent it is a form of opression. But there are many reasons for a woman to choose for herself what she wants to wear. And as such it is not for others to judge. 

Sabiwabi,  I don&#039;t quite agree with that, around nineteen hundred the blouse was, for the first time, worn as an upper garment, and could have quite short sleeves. Neither was it shocking to show an ankle, but, because of the fashion/custom, for covering a lot of skin, it was certainly arousing.

I find fashion, and cultural history, fascinating. The aera we mean with the shocking ankle-showing, is more the middle of the nineteenth century, when women wore gloves even at mealtime, and covered the luscious legs of furniture to keep their furniture &#039;&#039;modest&#039;&#039;.
The funny thing is, the more obsessed a society is with &#039;&#039;modesty&#039;&#039; the darker the other side of that society. 

I agree that one shouldn&#039;t equate a hijabi with a close minded rigid person. On the other hand some are just that. It depends on the person underneath the hijab.

Achelois, yes... what a very loooong comment! :) However, you have some really good points to make so I feel very honoured you took the trouble.

I like Bill Maher, and I have serious doubts about his choices for women, and his regard for them.
He is defenitely ill-informed about breast cancer and doctors, and actually medical fascillities in Saudi Arabia, because his very last remark: he doubts if a cure for cancer might come out of Saudi Arabia is wrong: there are some very good cancer specialists in KSA.

I prefer a female doctor too especially in more intimate problems and in The Netherlands you can always ask for a female doctor, but when I found a lump in my breast I was happy to have anybody check it as soon as possible. And they way the doctor examined me was soo remote it didn&#039;t give me any bad feelings. (nothing wrong btw)

The thing about &#039;&#039;burka&#039;&#039; is that that is the name by which face veils are known by most people. In the Netherlands people will not understand you if you use &#039;&#039;niqab&#039;&#039; it&#039;s always called a &#039;&#039;burka&#039;&#039; in Dutch.
And it&#039;s not National Geographic, it&#039;s just a funny show! I can&#039;t take it that seriously really.

I thought &#039;&#039;Muslim Dior&#039;&#039; was the best joke!
And he couldn&#039;t have been so funny with Fitnah Fashions, becasue Fitnah Fashions would have shown some modest but perosnal and amusing abayas! Takes away the gist of his jokes.
I fully believe you can be dressed modestly without the emulating the Maher Fashion show!

Chaiara, that is one of the reasons women in the west maybe wearing them.

Susanne, I agree

Achelois, somebody made that up for the how, And I think there was only oine, and only one model.
And I think it showed too much. the eyeslit should have been much smaller, and I would have used an eyeveil as well!

Saudi in US, you dog! you must have been really scanning to notice that ankle!!!!!

Lat, yes.

Achelois and Bedu, I thought it was made out of the fabric, like a kind of &#039;&#039;Broderie Anglaise&#039;&#039;

Lynn, don&#039;t be so judgmental ;) it could have been purely accidental!!! Anyway, I think the last model was really fitnah in the seductive way she moved her shoulder!
Fitnah Fashions makes custom abayas! You can order one! {But I won&#039;t enjoy making it... :( )
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tazeen, welcome to my blog <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  There is no logic in the abaya in Saudi Arabia, women are bound to it, they have no free choice.<br />
Outside of Saudi Arabia, it is really up to the women themeselves. So I think that, as there are many different personalities, there will be many different reasons for different women to decide why they want to wear the abaya. And of course some are still forced by family or husbands who like it, and it that extent it is a form of opression. But there are many reasons for a woman to choose for herself what she wants to wear. And as such it is not for others to judge. </p>
<p>Sabiwabi,  I don&#8217;t quite agree with that, around nineteen hundred the blouse was, for the first time, worn as an upper garment, and could have quite short sleeves. Neither was it shocking to show an ankle, but, because of the fashion/custom, for covering a lot of skin, it was certainly arousing.</p>
<p>I find fashion, and cultural history, fascinating. The aera we mean with the shocking ankle-showing, is more the middle of the nineteenth century, when women wore gloves even at mealtime, and covered the luscious legs of furniture to keep their furniture &#8221;modest&#8221;.<br />
The funny thing is, the more obsessed a society is with &#8221;modesty&#8221; the darker the other side of that society. </p>
<p>I agree that one shouldn&#8217;t equate a hijabi with a close minded rigid person. On the other hand some are just that. It depends on the person underneath the hijab.</p>
<p>Achelois, yes&#8230; what a very loooong comment! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  However, you have some really good points to make so I feel very honoured you took the trouble.</p>
<p>I like Bill Maher, and I have serious doubts about his choices for women, and his regard for them.<br />
He is defenitely ill-informed about breast cancer and doctors, and actually medical fascillities in Saudi Arabia, because his very last remark: he doubts if a cure for cancer might come out of Saudi Arabia is wrong: there are some very good cancer specialists in KSA.</p>
<p>I prefer a female doctor too especially in more intimate problems and in The Netherlands you can always ask for a female doctor, but when I found a lump in my breast I was happy to have anybody check it as soon as possible. And they way the doctor examined me was soo remote it didn&#8217;t give me any bad feelings. (nothing wrong btw)</p>
<p>The thing about &#8221;burka&#8221; is that that is the name by which face veils are known by most people. In the Netherlands people will not understand you if you use &#8221;niqab&#8221; it&#8217;s always called a &#8221;burka&#8221; in Dutch.<br />
And it&#8217;s not National Geographic, it&#8217;s just a funny show! I can&#8217;t take it that seriously really.</p>
<p>I thought &#8221;Muslim Dior&#8221; was the best joke!<br />
And he couldn&#8217;t have been so funny with Fitnah Fashions, becasue Fitnah Fashions would have shown some modest but perosnal and amusing abayas! Takes away the gist of his jokes.<br />
I fully believe you can be dressed modestly without the emulating the Maher Fashion show!</p>
<p>Chaiara, that is one of the reasons women in the west maybe wearing them.</p>
<p>Susanne, I agree</p>
<p>Achelois, somebody made that up for the how, And I think there was only oine, and only one model.<br />
And I think it showed too much. the eyeslit should have been much smaller, and I would have used an eyeveil as well!</p>
<p>Saudi in US, you dog! you must have been really scanning to notice that ankle!!!!!</p>
<p>Lat, yes.</p>
<p>Achelois and Bedu, I thought it was made out of the fabric, like a kind of &#8221;Broderie Anglaise&#8221;</p>
<p>Lynn, don&#8217;t be so judgmental <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  it could have been purely accidental!!! Anyway, I think the last model was really fitnah in the seductive way she moved her shoulder!<br />
Fitnah Fashions makes custom abayas! You can order one! {But I won&#8217;t enjoy making it&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saudi in US, 
That woman is nothing but a whore showing her ankle like that (I swear she winked too). Man, don&#039;t fall for her wicked ways you&#039;re better than that.

I prefer the Donna Koran style myself. Aafke do you have something similar in your catalog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saudi in US,<br />
That woman is nothing but a whore showing her ankle like that (I swear she winked too). Man, don&#8217;t fall for her wicked ways you&#8217;re better than that.</p>
<p>I prefer the Donna Koran style myself. Aafke do you have something similar in your catalog?</p>
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		<title>By: American Bedu</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Bedu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is stiff until after many washings then it begins to soften.  And before anyone gets the wrong idea, NO....I do not choose to wear such a thing but bought one more to be able to show others firsthand what one is like!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is stiff until after many washings then it begins to soften.  And before anyone gets the wrong idea, NO&#8230;.I do not choose to wear such a thing but bought one more to be able to show others firsthand what one is like!</p>
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		<title>By: Achelois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achelois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be honest that I haven&#039;t seen them green or black and I didn&#039;t know about that. I went to Afghanistan in 1997 to work with an Aga Khani network and I didn&#039;t see any colour but blue. Green shuttlecocks are more common in North Pakistan though. I think the mesh is made out of this starched stiff material. Is it stiff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be honest that I haven&#8217;t seen them green or black and I didn&#8217;t know about that. I went to Afghanistan in 1997 to work with an Aga Khani network and I didn&#8217;t see any colour but blue. Green shuttlecocks are more common in North Pakistan though. I think the mesh is made out of this starched stiff material. Is it stiff?</p>
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		<title>By: Lat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very interesting post on muslim women&#039;s dress which always never fails to attract attention.It&#039;s the superficiality instead of the substance of the woman that is always seen as beautiful,hot and becoming of a honorable woman. I simply don&#039;t agree.
And the comments here are equally good as well!:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting post on muslim women&#8217;s dress which always never fails to attract attention.It&#8217;s the superficiality instead of the substance of the woman that is always seen as beautiful,hot and becoming of a honorable woman. I simply don&#8217;t agree.<br />
And the comments here are equally good as well!:D</p>
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