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		<title>By: SãImã Abbasi</title>
		<link>http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/how-old-was-aicha/#comment-8929</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 00:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t take me wrong, I&#039;m not against what you told. I think change the heart, mind, thinking, believing and change me, then I ll change the other so it ll happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t take me wrong, I&#8217;m not against what you told. I think change the heart, mind, thinking, believing and change me, then I ll change the other so it ll happen.</p>
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		<title>By: SãImã Abbasi</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 00:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My goodness, are we living in past? Please Muslims get a life. I know law can help some problematic cases in some remote part of a country, honestly I believe it&#039;s me, myself that makes change. A mother and a father know what&#039;s best for their daughter. If I don&#039;t know ll a law teach me this? Its the mind, thinking and understanding about life that ll teach me. Everyday lots of parents give their daughters into marraiges with their blessings and prayers, unfortunately some doesn&#039;t turn out so good or happy, please make a law parents always make sure it ll be successful marraige. Freedom and liberty, women rights gives opportunities to women to choose their husbands, unfortunately many has bad experiences, please make a law use your head wisely...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goodness, are we living in past? Please Muslims get a life. I know law can help some problematic cases in some remote part of a country, honestly I believe it&#8217;s me, myself that makes change. A mother and a father know what&#8217;s best for their daughter. If I don&#8217;t know ll a law teach me this? Its the mind, thinking and understanding about life that ll teach me. Everyday lots of parents give their daughters into marraiges with their blessings and prayers, unfortunately some doesn&#8217;t turn out so good or happy, please make a law parents always make sure it ll be successful marraige. Freedom and liberty, women rights gives opportunities to women to choose their husbands, unfortunately many has bad experiences, please make a law use your head wisely&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aafke-Art</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 00:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s it about? Pedophiles like to &#039;&#039;marry&#039;&#039; children, and they use unreliable hadith to get lawful as well as religious blessings for practicing pedophilia undisturbed.
These hadith are the reason why many Muslim countries will not allow a legal minimum age for girls to be married/sold, to often very old men.

I wrote this post to point to the fact that besides unreliable hadith there are a lot of facts which point to a completely different age for Aischa&#039;s marriage, and the fact that alll these ages vary so wildly should make any reasonable person think.
If they are not a pedophile...

As long as the supposedly unhealthily young age of Aischa is being used to sanctify pedophilia i think it is important to keep pointing out the flaws.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s it about? Pedophiles like to &#8221;marry&#8221; children, and they use unreliable hadith to get lawful as well as religious blessings for practicing pedophilia undisturbed.<br />
These hadith are the reason why many Muslim countries will not allow a legal minimum age for girls to be married/sold, to often very old men.</p>
<p>I wrote this post to point to the fact that besides unreliable hadith there are a lot of facts which point to a completely different age for Aischa&#8217;s marriage, and the fact that alll these ages vary so wildly should make any reasonable person think.<br />
If they are not a pedophile&#8230;</p>
<p>As long as the supposedly unhealthily young age of Aischa is being used to sanctify pedophilia i think it is important to keep pointing out the flaws.</p>
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		<title>By: SãImã Abbasi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SãImã Abbasi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s this about? We don&#039;t like to be growing up? Why Syda Ayesha&#039;s age at time of marriage is so important till this day? She lived a very happily married life with the best person. Her father a very good human gave her into marriage. Her husband took care of her, cherish her, loved her dearly, nurture her to be a very strong and confident human being. 
What I learn the from the story of Syda Ayesha&#039;s life is 
Happily ever after 
Instead of miserable child marriage...
It sounds pathetic, please stop playing this tune now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s this about? We don&#8217;t like to be growing up? Why Syda Ayesha&#8217;s age at time of marriage is so important till this day? She lived a very happily married life with the best person. Her father a very good human gave her into marriage. Her husband took care of her, cherish her, loved her dearly, nurture her to be a very strong and confident human being.<br />
What I learn the from the story of Syda Ayesha&#8217;s life is<br />
Happily ever after<br />
Instead of miserable child marriage&#8230;<br />
It sounds pathetic, please stop playing this tune now.</p>
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		<title>By: arete</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I take issue with the Muslim assertion that all Christian scripture is somehow &quot;corrupt&quot;. I disagree entirely. In fact, I have staked my life on the inerrancy of Scripture.

I don&#039;t intend to sound in any way combative, but it is very easy to discredit opposing views with a very wide sweeping statement. &quot;All Cretans are liars; one of their own has said so.&quot; Likewise, you are all arguing that Aisha couldn&#039;t have been between six or nine years old, because that would reflect badly on the character of the prophet whom you follow. And you agree with each other, and tell each other that it&#039;s not possible, because that would have uncomfortable implications. But truth in the Greek is aletheia, which is literally un-forgetfulness. And remembering the facts is the best way to preserve truth. God is light; and in Him there is no darkness at all.

So, not that I&#039;m really interested in the age of Aisha - alhoewel she was a very interesting woman - I come down to this simple fact: Injul and the Koran do not agree; Torah (the first five books of the Bible), and the Prophets - what is somewhat erroneously called the &quot;Old&quot; Testament, or covenant - and the Koran do not agree, either. The best way to avoid this &quot;point of tension&quot; in your belief system, which is also a source of discomfort, is to generalise that Injul cannot possibly be true, because then the Koran would be false. Without looking at the converse of that statement, I&#039;m afraid you have reached an irrational conclusion, based on no evidence.

I do not have sufficient evidence to comment on the veracity of your Koran, except to say that the most ancient versions found in Yemen are very difficult to decipher into modern arabic, and cannot comment (I don&#039;t particularly feel like some jihadist putting me &#039;behind the sun&#039; this week, either). But I will tell you the evidence that I have found.

Jesus said: &quot;I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except by me.&quot; So Truth is absolute; God does not change. In Him there is no shadow of turning; He is not like man, to lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His mind. His words are trustworthy and true. 

Injul as we have it has a well-documented history. There are 15000 extant copies of the Gospel of John in the original Greek, alone. The first four books, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, were all written within seventy years of the death and resurrection of Christ. We have actual evidence of this: parchment fragments in Egypt pinpoint the Gospel of John to be written earlier than 100AD - this is based on carbon dating. Not completely accurate, of course, but fit for the purpose. From textual clues (&quot;There is in Jerusalem ...a pool with five collonades, called Bethesda&quot; - in the present tense) that it was even written before AD70, the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans. 

Luke, the only &quot;second-generation&quot; New Testament writer, was a physician,  was an excellent historian, who wrote his Gospel from eye-witness sources. He travelled extensively with Paul, the Apostle to the gentiles, as he was called. He also wrote the book of Acts. 

Criteria for inclusion in the Canon were simple: did these men know Jesus personally? Or did they have direct inspiration from Him? Remember that Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus. The others followed Him while He taught on earth. Matthew was the reformed Roman tax collector; John was the disciple whom Jesus loved; John Mark was Peter&#039;s companion, and it&#039;s generally accepted that he wrote down a lot of Peter&#039;s eye-witness testimony. The writers of Injul were accepted by their identity, rather than their words. These people had spoken with the Messiah, the Christ, the Root and Branch of Jesse, face to face. His Spirit dwelt in them, as He does in me. 

I find it very ...insulting... that Jews and Christians are accused of tampering with the holy Word of God Himself. Our hands would fall off ; our tongues would rot in our mouths. Every word of God is flawless. And it is Alive. He is Alive. And He reigns forevermore - Amen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take issue with the Muslim assertion that all Christian scripture is somehow &#8220;corrupt&#8221;. I disagree entirely. In fact, I have staked my life on the inerrancy of Scripture.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t intend to sound in any way combative, but it is very easy to discredit opposing views with a very wide sweeping statement. &#8220;All Cretans are liars; one of their own has said so.&#8221; Likewise, you are all arguing that Aisha couldn&#8217;t have been between six or nine years old, because that would reflect badly on the character of the prophet whom you follow. And you agree with each other, and tell each other that it&#8217;s not possible, because that would have uncomfortable implications. But truth in the Greek is aletheia, which is literally un-forgetfulness. And remembering the facts is the best way to preserve truth. God is light; and in Him there is no darkness at all.</p>
<p>So, not that I&#8217;m really interested in the age of Aisha &#8211; alhoewel she was a very interesting woman &#8211; I come down to this simple fact: Injul and the Koran do not agree; Torah (the first five books of the Bible), and the Prophets &#8211; what is somewhat erroneously called the &#8220;Old&#8221; Testament, or covenant &#8211; and the Koran do not agree, either. The best way to avoid this &#8220;point of tension&#8221; in your belief system, which is also a source of discomfort, is to generalise that Injul cannot possibly be true, because then the Koran would be false. Without looking at the converse of that statement, I&#8217;m afraid you have reached an irrational conclusion, based on no evidence.</p>
<p>I do not have sufficient evidence to comment on the veracity of your Koran, except to say that the most ancient versions found in Yemen are very difficult to decipher into modern arabic, and cannot comment (I don&#8217;t particularly feel like some jihadist putting me &#8216;behind the sun&#8217; this week, either). But I will tell you the evidence that I have found.</p>
<p>Jesus said: &#8220;I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except by me.&#8221; So Truth is absolute; God does not change. In Him there is no shadow of turning; He is not like man, to lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His mind. His words are trustworthy and true. </p>
<p>Injul as we have it has a well-documented history. There are 15000 extant copies of the Gospel of John in the original Greek, alone. The first four books, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, were all written within seventy years of the death and resurrection of Christ. We have actual evidence of this: parchment fragments in Egypt pinpoint the Gospel of John to be written earlier than 100AD &#8211; this is based on carbon dating. Not completely accurate, of course, but fit for the purpose. From textual clues (&#8220;There is in Jerusalem &#8230;a pool with five collonades, called Bethesda&#8221; &#8211; in the present tense) that it was even written before AD70, the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans. </p>
<p>Luke, the only &#8220;second-generation&#8221; New Testament writer, was a physician,  was an excellent historian, who wrote his Gospel from eye-witness sources. He travelled extensively with Paul, the Apostle to the gentiles, as he was called. He also wrote the book of Acts. </p>
<p>Criteria for inclusion in the Canon were simple: did these men know Jesus personally? Or did they have direct inspiration from Him? Remember that Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus. The others followed Him while He taught on earth. Matthew was the reformed Roman tax collector; John was the disciple whom Jesus loved; John Mark was Peter&#8217;s companion, and it&#8217;s generally accepted that he wrote down a lot of Peter&#8217;s eye-witness testimony. The writers of Injul were accepted by their identity, rather than their words. These people had spoken with the Messiah, the Christ, the Root and Branch of Jesse, face to face. His Spirit dwelt in them, as He does in me. </p>
<p>I find it very &#8230;insulting&#8230; that Jews and Christians are accused of tampering with the holy Word of God Himself. Our hands would fall off ; our tongues would rot in our mouths. Every word of God is flawless. And it is Alive. He is Alive. And He reigns forevermore &#8211; Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: willie</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the problem with some people is  that by making age questionnable they resolve something while in other matters people remember the hadith very well !!! but  the age of a girl seems to be hard to set!! if we continue in this way then everything about that culture is questionnable like the simple fact of age ....
it is by making a person unsure that they make you feel questionable therefore the logic goes not true: if instead they could search and find an answer but they can&#039;t that&#039;s pure science!!!????all is uncertain when you ask a question which threatens a shaky thing]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem with some people is  that by making age questionnable they resolve something while in other matters people remember the hadith very well !!! but  the age of a girl seems to be hard to set!! if we continue in this way then everything about that culture is questionnable like the simple fact of age &#8230;.<br />
it is by making a person unsure that they make you feel questionable therefore the logic goes not true: if instead they could search and find an answer but they can&#8217;t that&#8217;s pure science!!!????all is uncertain when you ask a question which threatens a shaky thing</p>
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		<title>By: Aafke-Art</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Safiyya, thank you.

But can anybody tell me why muslims don&#039;t already know this? My points are mainly based on the history of the life of the prophet. I would have thought all Muslims should have these dates at their fingertips! 
I had to look them up!

And I really think that this idea of Aischa being so very young should be made a stop to. There is so little evidence to support it, and such strong logic evidence against!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Safiyya, thank you.</p>
<p>But can anybody tell me why muslims don&#8217;t already know this? My points are mainly based on the history of the life of the prophet. I would have thought all Muslims should have these dates at their fingertips!<br />
I had to look them up!</p>
<p>And I really think that this idea of Aischa being so very young should be made a stop to. There is so little evidence to support it, and such strong logic evidence against!</p>
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		<title>By: Safiyyah</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good stuff; came over to read this from the &quot;discussion&quot; on Saudiwoman&#039;s blog.  Thanks for this; I will save it for reference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good stuff; came over to read this from the &#8220;discussion&#8221; on Saudiwoman&#8217;s blog.  Thanks for this; I will save it for reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Ithar</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Salamu &#039;Alaikum wa Rahmatul_lahi wa Barakatuh

In &#039;A&#039;isha biography, she said that she was 13 years old when she lost the necklaces.

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Yes, but she didn&#039;t write that did she? somebody else wrote it. So somebody else who liked the idea of of marrying underage children could have put it in. And if you read the post there is far more evidence of her being older so it seems the biography was adapted to suit the idea of her marrying at an absurd young age&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Salamu &#8216;Alaikum wa Rahmatul_lahi wa Barakatuh</p>
<p>In &#8216;A&#8217;isha biography, she said that she was 13 years old when she lost the necklaces.</p>
<p><em><strong>Yes, but she didn&#8217;t write that did she? somebody else wrote it. So somebody else who liked the idea of of marrying underage children could have put it in. And if you read the post there is far more evidence of her being older so it seems the biography was adapted to suit the idea of her marrying at an absurd young age</strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: Aafke</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rather than link from your blog, you are free to paste copy the whole article. You seem to attract some weirdos, (no wonder considering your subjects ;) ) and I don&#039;t want them here. So just state you got it from &#039;&#039;another blogger&#039;&#039; and take it!
I&#039;m all for spreading the truth!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than link from your blog, you are free to paste copy the whole article. You seem to attract some weirdos, (no wonder considering your subjects <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) and I don&#8217;t want them here. So just state you got it from &#8221;another blogger&#8221; and take it!<br />
I&#8217;m all for spreading the truth!</p>
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