Comments on: The handshake http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/the-handshake/ spreading sweetness and light Mon, 20 May 2013 11:41:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: StrangeOne http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/the-handshake/#comment-7808 Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:56:26 +0000 http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-7808 I believe that part of being culturally aware means doing what is culturally appropriate in each given situation. In some circumstances, shaking hands denotes respect while in others it can be taken for something else entirely. Especially in positions of leadership, I would expect a person to be able to discern the differences and act accordingly.

I do not understand why some people think of handshakes as being sexual, unless it is a particular handshake in which one’s hand is lovingly caressed and kissed in a way that denotes sexual interest (which would obviously not be appropriate in a business setting). However, saying that all handshakes are sexual is a bit like saying that making eye contact is also always sexual. Sure, making eye contact with a certain someone can be sexual at times, but that does not mean it is always that way, nor does it mean that it would be that way with others.

Aafke,
You may also want to mention that the “situation which might lead to fornication” might also lead to fits of nausea if it is two people who are very much un-attracted to each other.

]]> By: Aafke-Art http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/the-handshake/#comment-7804 Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:43:19 +0000 http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-7804 I think it’s an insane and paranoid illusion that something as polite and simple as a handshake will lead to ”fornication”.
Moreover, as I stated before, if you are that much mentally unbalanced (not to mention suffer from so much delusion of grandeur) that you are convinced that you will end up ”fornicating” with every woman whom you meet in your professional capacity, then you shouldn’t take a job where you are required to do so.
At the very least you have no right to complain if people complain about your boorish, egotistical, paranoid and rude behavior.

A situation which might lead to ”fornication” is to have two people who are very much attracted to each other sit naked in a sauna on comfortable cushions with too much to drink up, romantic misc playing and the door locked. Anything less is paranoid.
Besides, why shouldn’t have people have sex if they are both willing and consenting?

]]> By: Anonymous http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/the-handshake/#comment-7803 Fri, 14 Oct 2011 03:48:53 +0000 http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-7803 P.S. it starts with a handshake and can EVENTUALLY lead to the bedroom. I think it’s pretty clear if you pay attention. Doesn’t mean it always happens, but who is anyone to say they know it won’t happen?

]]> By: Anonymous http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/the-handshake/#comment-7802 Fri, 14 Oct 2011 03:47:11 +0000 http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-7802 Likewise Muslim women can’t shake hands with non Mahram men.
I think he’s much happier now. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.
It’s not about either sex being unclean, it’s about both sexes putting a stop to things that lead to fornication.

]]> By: Aafke http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/the-handshake/#comment-6557 Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:22:45 +0000 http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-6557 Asya and safa, welcome to my blog.
It is clear neither of you seems to have taken the trouble to actually read my post, and the intelligent comments generated by it.
Which bugs me. It makes me feel I am wasting my time here.

All I can say is that if you really equate a handshake with sex you seriously need some professional counselling.

]]> By: safa http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/the-handshake/#comment-6553 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:48:56 +0000 http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-6553 I don’t shake hands with men not even women, I would respect a man who greeted me politely without touching me.
And think about it, does anyone really want to touch a stranger’s hand, where has this hand been….

]]> By: Asya http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/the-handshake/#comment-6548 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:25:50 +0000 http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-6548 I looked through your blog and i just wanted to say couple of things. First of all i understand that this is your opinion and everyone’s entitled to their own opinions but i just couldn’t appriciate you making sarcastic remarks about muslims. Secondly, this hand shaking issue, as a young muslim woman (receint convert, brought up in europe as an orthodox) i wouldn’t shake a man’s hand either. It’s not directed towards women only, it’s mutual, we do not shake hands with the oposite sex, no matter if it’s a man or a woman. The fact that they denied him a position because of this is understandable, it’s a dutch goverment, you want to do things the way you do things over there, it’s sad that it’s such a big deal though, in the end it’s just a handshake. Also this “no touching” rule is in respect for women and to protect women, to prevent women being (sexually) abused by men.
As regarding to blacking out pictures, there’s nothing funny about it and we do not do it cause we’re unhappy and we want everyone to be unhappy or other silly reasons. It’s not like i’m going to come home to you and black out all the pictures you have, but in my home i wouldn prefer not to have any, cause we believe that angels do not enter a house with pictures on the walls etc. It’s prerfectly fine to have a valid opinion about things but in the future please do not make fun of things you don’t even understand, if you have a point, you have a point, but there’s no reason to insult another person’s believes!

]]> By: Aafke http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/the-handshake/#comment-4116 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:40:05 +0000 http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-4116 Tanya, welcome to my blog! :)
AbuSinan is like my little brother: he get’s this idea into his head and then has to defend it armed to the teeeth! After all, his wife told him I was in the right, and then he stopped in his tracks a bit ;)

I also make the point that what thia bloke about is not religion but one form of repressive culture, one we should not tolerate.

What’s your opinion of Geert Wilders? I think he’s as loony as the nutter who refuses to shake hands with women! And I draw a ”danish Cartoon” regularly on this blog! :mrgreen:

]]> By: tanya http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/the-handshake/#comment-4112 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:11:48 +0000 http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-4112 Hi,

Reading through your blog. A little late, but Aafke, I have to agree with you here. It is unfair to bend and bend and bend your culture trying to be nice and fair to new comers and then end up losing your own culture and being held hostage to the new comers’ culture. Being tolerant of others does not mean you want to give up your own culture or have no culture to be proud of. Abu Sinan wants everyone else to be open-minded so that others can be as close-minded as possible. I wonder what Abu Sinan’s opinion on Geert Wilders is? Or the crazy Danish cartoons? Are those ok expressions of one’s belief?

Grrr – get tired of being tolerant all the time and then run over by bigots.

]]> By: Aafke http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/the-handshake/#comment-2748 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:35:31 +0000 http://clouddragon.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-2748 Drake, I have no idea what you are talking about?
Elaborate.

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